New Mac Mini

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Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:44 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

would love to test one of the new minis... but I have 11 macs at home .. have not come up with an "approved" reason togged one

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Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:46 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

Just thought to mention my experience, since someone said "Hackintosh time?"


First off, I'm a professional Mac support person. I did my research, considered carefully, bought only highly compatible parts according to the hackintosh site I followed for making them work with Clover.

I still couldn't get it all working without hours of help on a Hackintosh discord server. But finally did. Though a Z-stick would not work, and neither would an Insteon PLU. So the whole purpose of what I bought it for was lost.

Did the 10.12.3 update, generally described as safe on my hardware. DEAD. No longer bootable Mac. I could not fix it.

That computer sat for about a year unused, before I recently tried putting Linux on it. That worked, but was a different sort of nightmare.

Also, Perceptive Automation does not support, and barely condones, running Indigo on non-Apple hardware.

I don't blame them.

SmartThings refugee, so happy to be on Indigo. 10.13.6 on an i5 MBP w/Harmony Hub, Hue, DomoPad, Dynamic URL, Device Extensions, HomeKit Bridge, MatplotLib, Plex, uniFAP, Wunderground, Nanoleaf, LED Simple Effects, Airfoil Pro, Grafana.

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Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:51 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

Different Computers wrote:
barely condones, running Indigo on non-Apple hardware.


Oh, we don't condone it either. It's hard enough supporting Apple-supported configs given OS bugs. Impossible to provide support in hackintosh configs.

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Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:30 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

jay (support) wrote:
petematheson wrote:
For what they are, I thought they are very expensive. Apple tradition seems to be bumping the price by £300 or so on everything lately.

A real shame, at the moment I’m wishing indigo ran on windows as I have a bargain HP Z2 Mini G4 sat there with a Xeon processor, 16Gb memory and 512 SSD for less than £500 !


If you could move Indigo to the windows box that wouldn't solve the problem since SecuritySpy doesn't run on Windows, right? If you move to something like Blue Iris for cameras, then you could run that on the HP Z2 and just leave Indigo on the mini you have, right? Plex could probably run either place.

Just trying to do the cost/benefit calculations based on the hardware you have and how to distribute it more.



+1 for Jay's suggestion. This is exactly what I do. I run I7 and Plex on a late 2014 Mac mini (headless), and bought a certified refurbished Dell Optiplex for around $500 for Blue Iris. The Mac mini CPU mostly runs below 2-3% (assuming I'm getting good data back via plugin), though the RAM usage is frequently high at >50%. The Optiplex, with 8 cameras, runs around 36% CPU. You can get a "small form factor" version that is a good bit smaller than a regular PC tower (avoid the really small ones though, there is a lot of talk on IP Cam forums discussing how those are too underpowered for BI).

Admittedly, we aren't huge Plex users-- it would be fairly unheard of for us to have 2 streams running at once, but when we are watching something, Indigo seems to chug along fine.

The Blue Iris plugin is fantastic for Indigo integration, and the BI program is quite inexpensive and not tied to # of cameras.

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Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:57 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

While the memory can be upgraded, it isn't easy:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/yes-its-possible-to-upgrade-a-2018-mac-minis-ram-no-its-not-easy/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=27994766510751098396250380642279

First off, the picture Apple showed of the RAM in their announcement is incredibly misleading. RAM is hidden inside what's almost a Faraday cage of metal. To remove the RAM sticks, you have to remove the cage.

The cage is screwed down onto the motherboard, and yes, you have to remove the motherboard.


I think this just sums it up:

Back in the old Mac mini days, you didn't need to remove anything except the back cover to get at RAM. Now, the same level of major surgery you once had to perform to replace a drive is what you now have to do to get at the RAM.

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Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:31 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

As I said earlier in the thread, I had limited choice but to upgrade to the new late 2018 Mac mini.

Arrived earlier in the week, and has taken until tonight to unbox. Indigo up and running in less than an hour, transferred over from my MBP.

No issues so far, other than having to select the z-stick but that's hardly an issue....

Any problems, I'll report.

Any questions please shout.


Mat

Late 2018 mini 10.14

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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:27 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

Mat,

Early even from your initial post. Other than Indigo, what else are you running on the new MacMini? SecuritySpy, RFXCOM? My late 2009 MacMini struggles and could use a vacation, or perhaps retirement.

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Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:26 pm
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Re: New Mac Mini

I used to run indigo and SS on a 2009 but have up and upgraded to a 2012 model that is now working fine under Mojave. Not the quickest but does the job.

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Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:38 am
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Re: New Mac Mini

mat wrote:
As I said earlier in the thread, I had limited choice but to upgrade to the new late 2018 Mac mini.

Arrived earlier in the week, and has taken until tonight to unbox. Indigo up and running in less than an hour, transferred over from my MBP.

No issues so far, other than having to select the z-stick but that's hardly an issue....

Any problems, I'll report.

Any questions please shout.


Mat


Thanks for the heads-up, that's encouraging. Can you comment about power dissipation with just Indigo running in the background? Thanks...

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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:14 am
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Re: New Mac Mini

On the I7 3.2 and 8gb ram, with just Indigo running i'm getting the following:

95% system idle CPU
6Gb memory used
Cashed 1.3gb
0.5gb swapped

average energy on indigo server is 42
average energy on indigo 9.3

and on the 120gb ssd, ive used 30gb

Not sure on the actual power consumption as its not being monitored.

Is that what you are after?

cheers

Mat

Late 2018 mini 10.14

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Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:12 am
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Re: New Mac Mini

I suspect that this is going to be somewhat conditional based on what an individual Indigo install is being asked to do. Some plugins may use considerably more resources than others.

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Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:01 am
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Re: New Mac Mini

Agreed. I've got quiet a few of what i would class the bigger plugins running and around 230 devices, and 200 unifi devices

Late 2018 mini 10.14

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Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:11 am
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Re: New Mac Mini

mat wrote:
On the I7 3.2 and 8gb ram, with just Indigo running i'm getting the following:

95% system idle CPU
6Gb memory used
Cashed 1.3gb
0.5gb swapped

average energy on indigo server is 42
average energy on indigo 9.3

and on the 120gb ssd, ive used 30gb

Not sure on the actual power consumption as its not being monitored.

Is that what you are after?

cheers

Mat



Thanks for the information. I was more interested in electrical power, as the Mini runs 24/7. In another forum, a poster mentioned "idle" power was measured at 15 wats, apparently up from 7.5 watts from the previous Mini. I'm assuming "idle" means doing essentially nothing, presumably not sleeping. But have no info about the test circumstances. And of course everybody's situation will be different.

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Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:38 am
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Re: New Mac Mini

I've got two spare plugin modules, but not sure if they have energy meters - i'll plug them in and take a 48 hour and 7 day reading and see what comes out. Not sure of the accuracy that way. It might even be in a UPS already - will check when i get home.

Late 2018 mini 10.14

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Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:06 am
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Re: New Mac Mini

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