IndigoServer crashing ...

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:24 pm
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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

You can definitely try that first. I think the fresh Catalina install will probably not crash, however. But it makes sense to try the easier/faster things first.

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:07 pm
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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

I have modified the guest user to be an admin user. I will see if that changes something.

Until then, what is the specific procedure that you want me to do to uninstall and install Indigo 7.4 in the admin user ?

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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

Since the installation takes place in the same location on the disk, you can just rerun the Indigo 7.4 installer from the Admin account. That will correct the permissions but leave your settings alone.

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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

Hello,

For the purposes of our test, the guest user has been an admin for a while now. No other user account were logged in and the IndigoServer (IS) never crashed. Later, I logged in my own user account that has always been an admin ... and on login the IS crashed.

I then logged out of my account. From the guest user, I trashed Indigo 7.4, emptied the trash and restarted my iMac. I then downloaded and installed Indigo 7.4. on the guest user. No IS crash there. I then logged in my personal user account and launched Indigo 7.4. No IS crash neither until now.

Next step will be to change the guest user to a regular account and to startup the computer to see how IS behaves.

I will keep you posted. Thank you for your patience.



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Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:24 pm
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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

Hello Matt,

Update about the IndigoServer (IS) crashes. It's been a while. I've been troubleshooting problems with my recent Catalina update.

So after different tests and after reinstalling a fresh copy of Catalina here are my comments:

• Recall: My guest user is still an admin and a fresh copy of Indigo was installed as you suggested.
• IS does not crash on the guest user.
• IS crashes on my personal account that is also an admin (a picture and a copy of the latest crash report can be found below)
• The crash occurs once when logging in my personal account, but not later.
• The Indigo app on my personal account connects to IS and I can control Indigo.
• I had to replace the database a few times after it was corrupted. I had a backup of the database. The corruption could be the result of Catalina's stability, but I can be sure of that.

I wanted to fix my Catalina problem before getting back to you, but since the IS's crashes existed in Mojave, I thought that we could troubleshoot it anyway.

You can find a copy of the IS preferences, in case it could be the problem.

Thanks again for your help.



Robert





Indigo crash report (20-04-20)

Process: IndigoServer [3460]
Path: /Library/Application Support/Perceptive Automation/*/IndigoServer.app/Contents/MacOS/IndigoServer
Identifier: com.perceptiveautomation.indigo-server
Version: 7.4.1 (7.4.1)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: IndigoServer [3460]
User ID: 505

Date/Time: 2020-04-20 21:58:58.819 -0400
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.15.4 (19E287)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: B3D2FD00-CDAC-4DF3-FC6B-888654FF1ECB


Time Awake Since Boot: 1100 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Application Specific Information:
abort() called
terminating with uncaught exception of type CCError

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff6ee7633a __pthread_kill + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff6ef32e60 pthread_kill + 430
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff6edfd808 abort + 120
3 libc++abi.dylib 0x00007fff6c05d458 abort_message + 231
4 libc++abi.dylib 0x00007fff6c04e8bf demangling_terminate_handler() + 262
5 libobjc.A.dylib 0x00007fff6db895b1 _objc_terminate() + 104
6 libc++abi.dylib 0x00007fff6c05c887 std::__terminate(void (*)()) + 8
7 libc++abi.dylib 0x00007fff6c05f387 __cxa_rethrow + 99
8 libobjc.A.dylib 0x00007fff6db8793d objc_exception_rethrow + 37
9 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff375e7bb4 -[NSAppleEventManager dispatchRawAppleEvent:withRawReply:handlerRefCon:] + 482
10 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff375e7970 _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler + 98
11 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff362f3203 0x7fff362e6000 + 53763
12 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff362f2929 0x7fff362e6000 + 51497
13 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff362eabd7 aeProcessAppleEvent + 449
14 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff33bc47fa AEProcessAppleEvent + 54
15 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff321fdf31 _DPSNextEvent + 1547
16 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff321fc4e0 -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 1352
17 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff321ee1ee -[NSApplication run] + 658
18 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff321bfff6 NSApplicationMain + 777
19 com.perceptiveautomation.indigo-server 0x00000001038c8074 0x1038c6000 + 8308

Thread 1:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff6ef2eb68 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 2:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff6ef2eb68 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 3:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff6ef2eb68 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 4:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff6ef2eb68 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x000000010cb18dc0 rcx: 0x00007ffeec338a08 rdx: 0x0000000000000000
rdi: 0x0000000000000307 rsi: 0x0000000000000006 rbp: 0x00007ffeec338a30 rsp: 0x00007ffeec338a08
r8: 0x00007ffeec3388d0 r9: 0x00007ffeec338aa0 r10: 0x000000010cb18dc0 r11: 0x0000000000000246
r12: 0x0000000000000307 r13: 0x0000003000000008 r14: 0x0000000000000006 r15: 0x0000000000000016
rip: 0x00007fff6ee7633a rfl: 0x0000000000000246 cr2: 0x00007fff959dfc08

Logical CPU: 0
Error Code: 0x02000148
Trap Number: 133


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External Modification Summary:
Calls made by other processes targeting this process:
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thread_create: 0
thread_set_state: 0
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task_for_pid: 0
thread_create: 0
thread_set_state: 0
Calls made by all processes on this machine:
task_for_pid: 28906
thread_create: 0
thread_set_state: 0

VM Region Summary:
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AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x111), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (7.77.111.1 AirPortDriverBrcmNIC-1600.4)
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Posted on
Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:50 pm
matt (support) offline
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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

Hi Robert,

In summary, you have it now to the point where it consistently crashes under one macOS account (admin-personal) but it does not crash under another one (admin-guest)? If that is the case, is it acceptable to run it under the admin-guest account to prevent the crash? If so, I think we have our solution. :wink:

If not, then we will need to discover what the differences are between the two accounts. From Indigo's perspective how might they be configured differently? Do you have any different macOS software installed/running between the two accounts?

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Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:32 pm
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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

Hello Matt,

Let's resume my computer setup objectives: I need (1) a guest user account (non-admin) to (a) allow any member of my family to use the computer without having to use my personal account and (b) to allow unattended computer restart and user login for Indigo to get back to work when there is a power failure and that happens often in my area. I also need (2) a personal user account (admin) from which I also want to control the Indigo app. For those purposes, Indigo has always been installed on the guest user and I connected to Indigo by connecting to the IndigoServerr (???) from my personal user account. That's what I need.

In the past (before Mojave), the IndigoServer crashed on my personal admin user .... and only at login. It never crashed on the guest user.

With Catalina, that's still the case. Nothing changed. You requested that I install the Indigo app on the guest user and that I make it also an admin user. IS still crashes on my personal admin account but not on the guest user. Nothing changed by changing the guest to an admin.

What I don't understand is that this setup should be quite straight forward: Indigo is installed and launches from one user and I want to also manage it from another account. Isn't that the purpose of the IS to allow to control the Indigo app from elsewhere ?




Robert

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Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:55 pm
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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

It only (and consistently) crashes at login? Do you mean macOS login? The first time you've mentioned this being a crash at login is only 3 or 4 posts ago (on this thread that is now over 5 pages long). Please describe in detail the exact steps that you perform that lead up to the crash, and let us know if it consistently (every time) crashes. Until now I thought this was a random crash based on all the previous discussions, not a crash that is consistently reproducible with know steps. If that is the case it is critical we know all the details about the steps.

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Posted on
Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:26 am
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Re: IndigoServer crashing ...

Hello Mike,

Excuse me for the delay. I had to deal with a new Catalina install. Took a while to clear out the after effects. Now that it is up and running, I can concentrate on my work load.

So, yes, IndigoServer (IS) crashes only once, at startup and only in my personal admin account. It does not crash in the guest (non admin) account in which I made a fresh Indigo install.

As a reminder, Indigo is installed in the guest user. At startup, the guest user logs in automatically. Nothing more and there no IS crash in that account. After and only then, when I log in my personal user account for the first time, IS crashes once. Only once. When I launch Indigo in my personal user account, it connects to the guest app (IS ?) and it works without problem ever after. There is no IS server crash unless I restart the computer again. I confirm that, has previously requested, the guest and my personal accounts form a permission group that I called Indigo. The Library/Applications Support/Perceptive Automation folder and all it's content is available for read and write permissions by the Indigo group.

I experienced exactly the same results when I modified the guest user to an admin as you asked. For what I experience, the fact that the guest user is or is not an admin doesn't change anything,

Our previous talks may have been troubled and seem much longer (5 pages) because we dealt with many other issues. In the mean time, I began experiencing problems with my new Catalina installation. It created many flaky behaviors. I also had to do a fresh OS install, migrate all my data and complete the transition (32 bits apps and setting up my backup strategy because of the new APFS file system) before getting back to the IS crashes. I would have thought that IS wouldn't crash after all that, but it still does exactly like it did under Mojave.

Does this sound better now ? Thanks for your patience.



Robert

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