Insteon Motion Sensor 2

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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

Have you added any Z-Wave repeaters to areas where you might not have many Z-Wave devices? They will need to be included in your Z-Wave network, but not added to Indigo (as they don't do anything that Indigo cares about directly).

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Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:37 am
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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

Thanks Jay. Is there a particular Z-Wave repeater that you recommend? I tried the Aeotec Range Extender 6 a few years ago without success, probably because of the 100+ ft distance plus a few interior walls in between.

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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

Honestly, I've never had to use one, so I don't know. The Aeotec stuff is usually quite good - perhaps you need multiple. Start with one closer to the Z-Stick, include it, and then work your way out.

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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

Back to the MS2: I managed to get my MS2 to change the default timeout. It was a serious pain because keeping it awake during the process is rather difficult. I don’t know if that would change when a linked device gets the command, though I suspect it will. Here’s what I did:

1) Remove the battery from the MS2 and let it sit 15 sconds - that should make sure that any stuff gets cleared out
2) Select the Interfaces->Insteon/X10 Power Line->Set Motion Sensor Timeout… menu item to get the config dialog up and ready.
3) Select the motion sensor in the popup and select the duration. Be sure to read the gray explanation text just below the popup - it applies to the MS2 as well. Don't click Execute just yet.
4) Insert the battery into (or plug in) the MS2, wait for a second or two, then click the Execute button on the dialog.

The stupid motion sensor doesn’t seem to like staying awake, and it will go to sleep very quickly/inconsistently when you try using the buttons on it. The only way I found that was even close to consistent was to remove power, wait, then apply power and do what you need to quickly before it goes back to sleep.

Good luck. I left most Insteon sensors behind many years ago because of inconsistent results. The only one I had left before I sold my house earlier this year was the hidden door/window sensor which was directly linked to a SwitchLinc. I've now found that an inexpensive monoprice Z-Wave hidden sensor can add an association to Z-Wave switches to accomplish the same thing (no Indigo trigger needed), so my new house won't have any Insteon gear in it at all (probably).

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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

matt (support) wrote:
Unfortunately, they removed the capability to change the motion sensor sensitivity and LED brightness in the firmware of the Motion Sensor II. We haven't added UI yet for the other settings, [size=150][size=150][b]but I'm curious which ones you think are priority (most interesting) to have control over?
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We will not be adding support for the Insteon Hub as a controller.


Hi Matt,
I've been fighting with Motion sensor II for some time. The present version of Indigo allows one to set some of the parameters of this unit, but I can't figure out how to set the "Day/Night" setting even though Indigo seems to allow setting the Night/Day light sensitivity. Here's the reason such a setting would be useful. I have the Motion Sensor linked to outdoor security lights. I'm using hard device links rather than an Indigo trigger because I want this function to operate even if Indigo is down. Problem is with the present setting, the security light come on day or night. Probably not fatal, but it does seem like a waste of energy. If you can provide the raw insteon commands, I can do it without UI.
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Stefan Kirchanski

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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

Hi Stefan,

The documentation I have on it is confusing, but I have a command you can try. But before you can use it we have to read some of the settings out of the module. This has to be done because it appears there is a single command that sets multiple settings, so we need to know what all the current settings are in order to change only the setting we want to modify (otherwise our command will nuke a lot of settings you don't want to change). To read out the settings try sending this raw extended command:

Command 1 Byte: 0x2E
Command 2 Byte: 0x02
Send Extended Message: CHECKED
D1-D14 Bytes: 0x00

Copy the results out of the Event Log and paste them into a reply for me, and I'll see if I can come up with the parameters to change that one particular setting.

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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

matt (support) wrote:

Command 1 Byte: 0x2E
Command 2 Byte: 0x02
Send Extended Message: CHECKED
D1-D14 Bytes: 0x00

Copy the results out of the Event Log and paste them into a reply for me, and I'll see if I can come up with the parameters to change that one particular setting.


I'm not OP, but I am very interested in getting the day/night sensitivity setting to work. I currently have 4 Insteon Motion Sensor IIs. Two of them have been working perfectly for many months, anytime... day or night (these are on firmware 46). I got the other two from the Indigo Store before it was closed (both have firmware 47), but they seem to be set to NIGHT MODE ONLY, which will not work for my situation. :cry:

None of them show up in the dropdown list on the Set Motion Sensor Day/Night Sensitivity... window. I tried to use the python commands to set the values to 128 but received the error the firmware version was incorrect.

I tried the raw command you mentioned while the motion sensor was powered via USB. Unfortunately this is the only message in the log:

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Sent INSTEON                    "New Motion Sensor II" raw insteon command (2E 02   00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00; ack: 02)


Any help you can provide would be GREATLY appreciated. :D

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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

Hi James,

The sensor should have replied with a message after that. Try enabling Indigo's Insteon LLIO debug logging checkbox by holding down the SHIFT + OPTION keys while choosing the Interfaces->Insteon->Configure... menu item. After it is enabled close that options window and send the command again.

Also try altering the Command 2 Byte to be 0x00, 0x01, 0x03 (individuall -- you'll end up sending 4 different commands).

Copy/paste the log results of all that into a reply and we'll see if we can figure out what command to send to change the settings.

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Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:26 am
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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

Hello Matt,

Thank you for your reply. I certainly appreciate your help in getting these sensors working!

Here are the logs when sending 0x02:

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   Debug                           SENT: insteon 44.85.08   4F.9C.AD   10    2E 02
   Debug                           SENT: extended data 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0
   Debug                           RCVD: insteon 4F.9C.AD   44.85.08   20    2E 02
   Debug                           RCVD: ack from 4F.9C.AD for command 2E 02
   Sent INSTEON                    "New Motion Sensor II" raw insteon command (2E 02   00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00; ack: 02)
   Debug                           SENT: GetImInfo packet to see if connection is alive
   Debug                           processing unexpected packet 02 51 (trying to send a command)
   Debug                           RCVD: insteon 4F.9C.AD   44.85.08   1F    2E 02
   Debug                           RCVD: extended data 01 01 40 50 C0 80 3C 3C 05 00 21 00 00 60
   Debug                           waiting 1084 for idle input queue

Here are the logs when sending 0x00, 0x01, and 0x03:

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   Debug                           SENT: insteon 44.85.08   4F.9C.AD   10    2E 00
   Debug                           SENT: extended data 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D2
   Debug                           RCVD: insteon 4F.9C.AD   44.85.08   20    2E 00
   Debug                           RCVD: ack from 4F.9C.AD for command 2E 00
   Sent INSTEON                    "New Motion Sensor II" raw insteon command (2E 00   00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00; ack: 00)
   Debug                           waiting 57 for idle input queue
   Debug                           timeout signal
   Debug                           SENT: insteon 44.85.08   4F.9C.AD   10    2E 01
   Debug                           SENT: extended data 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1
   Debug                           prism tunnel watchdog - connection test passed
   Debug                           RCVD: insteon 4F.9C.AD   44.85.08   2F    2E 01
   Debug                           RCVD: ack from 4F.9C.AD for command 2E 01
   Sent INSTEON                    "New Motion Sensor II" raw insteon command (2E 01   00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00; ack: 01)
   Debug                           waiting 57 for idle input queue
   Debug                           timeout signal
   Debug                           SENT: insteon 44.85.08   4F.9C.AD   10    2E 03
   Debug                           SENT: extended data 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CF
   Debug                           RCVD: insteon 4F.9C.AD   44.85.08   2B    2E 03
   Debug                           RCVD: ack from 4F.9C.AD for command 2E 03
   Sent INSTEON                    "New Motion Sensor II" raw insteon command (2E 03   00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00; ack: 03)
   Debug                           RCVD: insteon 4F.9C.AD   44.85.08   1B    2E 03
   Debug                           RCVD: extended data 01 01 BE D3 78 C6 96 78 00 00 00 00 00 F0

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Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:12 pm
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Re: Insteon Motion Sensor 2

I just installed 4 of these .... in bathrooms. Perhaps the biggest presence detection challenge area. With the sensor directly in front of me during testing, the sensor failed to notice I was in the room without a "hand over the head" type gesture. Is there a sensitivity setting or distance setting like on the last iteration?

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