Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

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Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:30 am
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Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Hi. Basically, the lock is working OK except for very fast battery depletion (a few weeks) in case of Z-Wave module activation.

Per Yale - it's a controller issue.

Talked with the distributor support (vesternet), very informative. The problem is well known.

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Hi Maxim,

It might be worth asking Indigo if there's some low level debugging that you can do?

Or maybe since you mentioned that you have other Yale locks, perhaps swap the new module to one of the old locks and see if that makes a difference?

You could also try the module in a different Z-Wave controller if you have access to one and see if it behaves the same way.

Of course, there's no problem in returning the module for replacement if you believe that it's faulty, but I suspect that a replacement will behave in exactly the same way as that's been my experience so far with other customers that have had the same problem.


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On Tue, 5 Jun at 12:25 PM , Maxim Shaposhnikov <shapa@me.com> wrote:
Hi Martyn,

First of all, thank you for the detailed description.
The controller is Indigo Domotics plus uzb1


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On 5 Jun 2018, at 11:45, Martyn Wendon <techsupport@vesternet.com> wrote:

Hi Maxim,

Yes we've had some reports of battery issues but it seems to be random and also dependant on the Z-Wave controller that you are using.

We've been in contact with Yale for the past few months over the issue but after repeated testing at low level we've not been able to highlight any specific problem on the lock or module side.

I was actually experiencing the issue myself with my own Conexis L1 with the SmartThings controller ..... the batteries would die after 2-3 days maximum. Yale insisted it was a problem with the SmartThings implementation, but SmartThings seemed to be denying any issue on their end.

I ended up modifying the SmartThings device handler to remove all unnecessary communication and add more logging but I still couldn't find anything that stood out as being the cause.

But then magically the issue went away following a SmartThings Hub update ..... the last set of batteries are still showing 100% after nearly 3 weeks. SmartThings support insist that they haven't changed anything on their end, but I suspect that they made some changes at a low level, perhaps they were inadvertently trying to set the Z-Wave module in some mode it didn't like.


Which Z-Wave controller are you using?



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On Mon, 4 Jun at 12:40 PM , Maxim Shaposhnikov <shapa@me.com> wrote:
Hi!

The new lock is draining batteries very fast (2 weeks max) with the z-wave module (SD-M1100) installed.

Purchased from Vesternet (Order # 2052987571)

It seems like other people complaining as well, so it’s a common / massive issue.

https://www.vesternet.com/yale-smart-li ... -container
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yale-Smart-Doo ... B07965NDRN

I’ve got a few other Yale locks with z-wave and battery life is normally 1+ year.

Tried full lock reset with zero results.

Current firmware is 32.16

Could you please contact Yale (it should be easier to do as a partner / distributor) - it looks like an electronics design issue, may be the module must be replaced with a new revision?

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Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:46 pm
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Can you copy/paste sync log for us, so we can see what its reporting.

Might also be worth a Zwave Watcher to monitor send and receive to this device then we can see if it’s talking excessively.

Peter


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Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:29 am
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Z-Wave Syncing - started for "Conservatory Door to Garden Lock"
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved module neighbors list: 3, 4, 12, 13, 25, 30, 42, 54, 60, 62, 64, 65, 66, 71, 72, 74, 84, 85, 88, 98, 104, 108, 115, 122, 127, 130, 137, 141, 144, 148, 150, 151, 159, 175, 179, 187, 189, 196, 204, 217, 219, 222, 223, 227, 228, 229, 232
Z-Wave Syncing - assigning return route to "049 - Conservatory Door to Garden Lock"
Z-Wave Syncing - assigned return route
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 06 00 60 31 24 10 9C (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 11 3A (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1D 00 13 31 16 98 81 7E 3A 40 14 98 4B 93 72 9E F8 AF DB AF C1 64 F0 A3 F8 AE A5 25 12 62 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 11 00 13 31 0A 98 80 E0 B9 B2 9C 12 8B 95 42 25 13 D1 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 08 00 04 00 31 02 98 40 18
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 18 00 04 00 31 12 98 03 00 71 8A 8B 4C 70 86 72 5A 73 80 62 85 59 7A 6C FF
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 2C 00 04 00 31 26 98 81 8B B3 CE B2 13 62 4C CC 7E 05 FB F7 EC 7F 39 90 13 A6 83 F4 DB 66 CF CF 33 25 38 E0 81 F3 99 C3 80 15 A0 66 EB
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 14 3F (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1D 00 13 31 16 98 81 E4 A3 16 25 6F 9F 43 18 13 F7 DE 27 63 76 D4 D9 39 7B 16 8B 25 15 FA (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 11 00 13 31 0A 98 80 E0 B9 B2 9C 12 8B 95 42 25 16 D4 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 08 00 04 00 31 02 98 40 18
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved manufacture and model names: Yale - 0129, Keypad Door Lock - 66000002
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 0E 00 04 00 31 08 72 05 01 29 66 00 00 02 FF
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 22 00 04 00 31 1C 98 81 CD 8B AB D2 0E 98 B4 05 27 10 4F CA BC CF 93 2F A4 E0 CC 03 C8 B5 EA C1 2B F4 8A
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 17 3C (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1D 00 13 31 16 98 81 06 2F 46 48 3C FA 29 28 E0 75 B6 D3 FB 2A FA 02 87 B9 0E 23 25 18 D8 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 11 00 13 31 0A 98 80 E0 B9 B2 9C 12 8B 95 42 25 19 DB (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 08 00 04 00 31 02 98 40 18
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved protocol version 4.61, app version 32.16
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved class hierarchy: Routing Slave : Entry Control : Keypad Door Lock (04 : 40 : 03, base 62)
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved command classes: 80v1 85v1 86v1 8Av1 8Bv1 4Cv1 55v1 98v1 59v1 5Av1 5Ev1 9Fv1 20v1 62v1 63v1 6Cv1 70v1 71v1 72v1 73v1 7Av1
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved encrypt commands: 80 85 86 8A 8B 4C 59 5A 62 6C 70 71 72 73 7A
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 11 00 04 00 31 0B 86 12 03 04 3D 20 10 20 01 0E 10 FF
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved capabilities: routing, battery, beaming, security, frequentWaking
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 25 00 04 00 31 1F 98 81 D8 08 E8 51 70 74 ED 73 9F 2F 24 F4 41 C0 B2 F3 FB 65 2F 75 E0 F8 17 60 3B 13 E5 B7 F4 9F
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 1A 31 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1D 00 13 31 16 98 81 6B 40 D1 F8 29 32 2E C7 60 AE 88 2D DC 36 E6 24 43 09 7D 6E 25 1B 1B (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 11 00 13 31 0A 98 80 E0 B9 B2 9C 12 8B 95 42 25 1C DE (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 08 00 04 00 31 02 98 40 18
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 1D 36 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1E 00 13 31 17 98 81 B6 97 74 57 D5 1D F2 D0 1E B5 40 FC CC 6B F9 89 66 AB 38 41 6C 25 1E 06 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 09 00 04 00 31 03 85 06 01 FF
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 1D 00 04 00 31 17 98 81 5D 83 2B E0 E4 49 94 26 73 74 2E 9E E0 CF FF 93 4B 6F 75 17 B6 D7
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 11 00 13 31 0A 98 80 E0 B9 B2 9C 12 8B 95 42 25 1F DD (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 08 00 04 00 31 02 98 40 18
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved group 1 associations: [1]
Z-Wave Syncing - group 1 association to interface already exists (skipping)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 0C 00 04 00 31 06 85 03 01 01 00 01 FF
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 20 00 04 00 31 1A 98 81 5B 0D 49 B5 67 62 20 D2 55 26 3E C6 7C 3F 2C E0 F3 FC 49 EF 80 4D CD DE C7
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 20 0B (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1D 00 13 31 16 98 81 2B CC 16 47 00 2C DE 3B 4D 88 2C D3 12 6B AD 05 49 FD A9 DF 25 21 9D (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 11 00 13 31 0A 98 80 E0 B9 B2 9C 12 8B 95 42 25 22 E0 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 08 00 04 00 31 02 98 40 18
Z-Wave Syncing - retrieved battery level of 100%
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 09 00 04 00 31 03 80 03 64 FF
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 1D 00 04 00 31 17 98 81 EE 9E 87 8F 56 56 4E DA 30 CF 17 0E E0 0A 64 81 A6 29 2A 99 FA 1A
Z-Wave Syncing - complete
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 23 08 (True)
Z-Wave sent "Conservatory Door to Garden Lock" status request
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1D 00 13 31 16 98 81 CB 43 6C A3 9E C6 F7 59 27 84 0C B4 DA A2 99 66 D7 F8 10 DF 25 24 03 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 09 00 13 31 02 98 40 25 25 0E (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 11 00 13 31 0A 98 80 E0 B9 B2 9C 12 8B 95 42 25 26 E4 (True)
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 0D 00 04 00 31 07 62 03 00 10 02 FE FE FF
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command received (Node 49): 01 21 00 04 00 31 1B 98 81 26 60 68 6B 8E 17 09 0E 67 3B 17 62 99 0B 7A A8 E0 62 F9 D4 F3 B2 11 04 4D ED
Z-Wave Watcher Debug Raw command sent (Node 49): 01 1D 00 13 31 16 98 81 E7 C1 EE D1 C7 0E 0D 4D C0 B4 65 37 99 8A 1A 09 43 06 F4 94 25 27 5E (True)

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Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:20 pm
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Hey guys,

Has this been sorted out? I’m also planning into purchasing this lock together with Indigo but would like to make sure that it’ll run ok.

Thanks!

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Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:13 pm
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

I haven't heard anything else.

Shapa: are you still experiencing the problem? And can you leave the Z-Wave watcher plugin on for the device for a couple day period? What you posted above just looks like a sync, and it doesn't include any timestamps so I'm not seeing anything abnormal. Would be interesting to watch it for a couple of days and see how often it communicates to Indigo (and how often Indigo communicates with it).

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Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:22 pm
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Hey Matt,

I just received the lock and will give this a try myself once I receive the Zwave 2 module. I have one quick question for you:

I live in the US and ordered both the lock and the zwave 2 module from the Amazon UK store since these are not sold here in the US.:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yale-Smart-Doo ... Yale+Zwave

Will the Yale Zwave 2 module work with the Aeotec Z-Stick Gen5 sold in the US store?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X0AWA6E/re ... vBbNSF4PZN

Or will I also need to purchase the Aoetec Gen5 stick from the UK store?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AEON-AEOEZW090 ... tick+Gen+5

I’m planning to purchase more Z-wave hardware in the future (here in the US) so I’m a bit confused right now which stick I need to get.

Thanks!

Philipp

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Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:40 pm
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

The frequency used by Z-wave in the US is different than that used elsewhere in the world. The frequency used in Europe is not even close to what is used in the US. Aeotec also sells three different Gen5 sticks:
Model Number: ZW090

ZW090-A: US Frequency

ZW090-B: AU Frequency

ZW090-C: EU frequency

In the US it is 908.4 ; 908.42 ; 916MHz. So there are three that could be used; the most common is 908.42.

In Europe, the frequencies used are:
868.40 ; 868.42 ; 869.85 MHz

Just so you know, those frequencies are in use and it would be illegal to use them in US. Just so you know, those are used by mobile phones. So if you did decide to try to use Europe Z-wave devices in the US, expect a lot of interference since you know people are using their phones, tablets, IoT, etc devices. That is why that device is not sold in the US, it would be illegal for it to be sold and for it to be used.

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Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:17 am
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

And there is no possibility that that Z-Wave 2 module for the L1 could support the US frequency as well? If that’s the case I may have backed myself into a corner since this lock isn’t even sold in the US but it’s the only one that’ll fit my door.

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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

I’m not sure if it’ll work but they sell a z-wave module in the US. https://www.amazon.com/Yale-Z-wave-Modu ... yale+zwave


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Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:11 am
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Unfortunately, that module won’t fit the Yale Conexis. The Yale Conexis L1 requires this module:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yale-Smart-Doo ... Yale+Zwave

And as far as I’m aware it’s only sold in the UK store. I even had to create a UK App Store account since their app is ONLY available in the iOS UK store. My only hope would be that perhaps this module could still support US frequencies?

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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

If it did support the US frequency, then it would be sold here. There is a reason why the product listing has this on it:

This item does not ship to the United States.

They even put it in red. Some modules the firmware sets the frequency used. But you would need to talk to Yale but if they don't sell it in the US, they wouldn't have a US firmware image.

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Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:18 pm
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Does Yale offer that device in say Australia? The Z-wave frequency that Australia uses is different than the US or EU but at least the AU variant uses a band in the US that is open to various devices. Cordless phone, pagers, etc. run on it.

Or, have you contacted Yale to see if they are going to sell a US variant?

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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

shapa wrote:
Hi. Basically, the lock is working OK except for very fast battery depletion (a few weeks) in case of Z-Wave module activation.

Per Yale - it's a controller issue.

Talked with the distributor support (vesternet), very informative. The problem is well known.


Spotted this on the smart things forum.
Contact Yale and they’ll post you a ‘fixed’ module. I’ve just done it and they’re posting one out

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Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:07 am
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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

petematheson wrote:
shapa wrote:
Hi. Basically, the lock is working OK except for very fast battery depletion (a few weeks) in case of Z-Wave module activation.

Per Yale - it's a controller issue.

Talked with the distributor support (vesternet), very informative. The problem is well known.


Spotted this on the smart things forum.
Contact Yale and they’ll post you a ‘fixed’ module. I’ve just done it and they’re posting one out


Great find. I guess so much for it being a controller issue given the fact they are sending out new/updated modules that fix the problem!

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Re: Yale Conexis L1 battery life issue.

Sign of an untrustworthy company: blame someone else rather than publicly assuming responsibility.

Add Yale to the list of companies I won't be doing business with.

Compare that to KwikSet, who replaced the battery cage of my lock when I dropped and broke it FOR FREE. It was totally my fault and I was prepared to pay, but they just sent me a new one, no questions asked.

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