Current state of this plugin (as of October 2019)

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Re: Current state of this plugin (as of October 2019)

Disappointed that the 2021.1 upgrade will be delayed because of a reason that is not affecting the Alexa (as I understand it)

I don’t care if you are forced to more than 2 updates every year. I can live with a monthly upgrade if it will bring out the updates quicker.


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Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:06 am
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Will the 2021.1 upgrade allow us to use Alexa to make announcements - sure hope so since that is one of the major shortcomings of indigo - really no easy way to make house wide “reliable “ announcements without having whole house speakers, amp and hard wiring in place……..

But in any case, thanks for the update…

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norcoscia wrote:
Will the 2021.1 upgrade allow us to use Alexa to make announcements


No - the Alexa Notifications API is (apparently) currently only available to Alexa for Hospitality partners (hotels, etc).

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Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:19 am
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OK, thanks for the info - BTW, documentation mentions the ability to fire an action group but no details or examples in the doc on how to do it. Just FYI unless I just missed it…..

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norcoscia wrote:
OK, thanks for the info - BTW, documentation mentions the ability to fire an action group but no details or examples in the doc on how to do it. Just FYI unless I just missed it…..


Well, crap. It was in the Alexa docs at one point - looks like I screwed up and it got deleted or reverted.

Damn, I really put a lot of effort into that part too... :roll:

[MODERATOR NOTE]: whew, found it in the editing history for that page. Check it out.

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Thanks, only one thing is unclear after reading.

I get the sense that all of the words used to start an action group (examples - launch, make, perform, start, set etc) are all just starting the action group (in other words they are all equal to run)

My question is on the words arm and disarm - not clear on how these could be equivalent, unless it is some sort of toggled action group…

Anyway, can’t wait to check out 2021.1

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norcoscia wrote:
I get the sense that all of the words used to start an action group are all just starting the action group


Correct.

norcoscia wrote:
My question is on the words arm and disarm - not clear on how these could be equivalent, unless it is some sort of toggled action group…


They are there to allow a more natural language flow to arm and disarm actions. The utterances (what Amazon calls the speech part that represents what's said after 'tell indigo' invocation) are hard coded in the Alexa skill definition, and they must be action words (verbs) before the 'slot' that represents the freeform field used to collect the action group name. You could of course say tell Indigo to set "alarm to armed", set being the verb, but that felt somewhat unwieldy as the only way. Adding arm and disarm as verbs allows the user to create a more natural feeling phrase.

These options are meant solely to allow for users to create natural sounding/feeling directives to Indigo. They are not meant to be logical stand ins for "run" or "execute". Designing voice interaction requires that you enable a wide range of speech patterns because humans don't use the same exact pattern to communicate the same idea.

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I understand the intent but I guess what fundamentally bothers me is if saying

Alexa, tell Indigo to arm “the kitchen zone”

And

Alexa, tell Indigo to disarm “the kitchen zone”

Do exactly the same thing?

I know you are busy so no need to answer if what I said above is true….

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Yep, you're right. After thinking about it more after I replied I finally got what you are saying. We've decided to just remove the disarm word. We figure it's useful, and given the fact that built-in garage doors and locks require a PIN to unlock, encouraging a disarm action without that protection is probably a bad idea in any event.

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