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Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by norcoscia » Thu May 26, 2016 11:16 am

Thanks johnpolasek, thanks Jay - I don't have a wired network connection anywhere near my door so I'm assuming I would need to use the VeraEdge since it has WiFi. Has anyone used that model with Indigo. Also, my door locks are Schlage Connects - has anyone used those with the Vera.

And finally has anyone done an extension via z-wave to reach a second door that is out of range of the controller (my second door is in my garage, so I doubt it would be in range of the controller).

Any help would be very much appreciated ...

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by akimball » Thu May 26, 2016 9:45 am

Having experience with only MiLock/InsteonDoorController, along with HDS to detect deadbolt position, I'm wondering how this combination compares with Lock/Vera/Bridge combination? Anyone have experience with both? So many seem to use the Vera approach and I'm wondering if I'm missing out. I do have 2 more exterior doors as candidates for door lock automation.

On related topic, remote controlled automation of sliding glass door locks, I have received information that Lockey USA may be coming out with an electronically activated version of this: http://www.lockeyusa.com/c150.html
...which would be very welcome for automation of my back-doors. On my home, all the back doors are sliding glass doors so this would be a great product for my home. Keeping fingers crossed.

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by johnpolasek » Thu May 26, 2016 9:39 am

I haven't had any problems with a Vera lite and Kwikset Z-wave over the past 6 months either. I haven't had any Reset problems (although a couple of power failures have been long enough to overrum the UPS) and the 2 to 5 second delay between "Send" and "Receive confirmation" doesn't particularly bother me. The lock is still at 50% battery (I'll keep an eye on that since Jay mentioned it) which is on par with the kwikset Kevos that need replacement about once per year. I just wish that either somebody would extend the Verabridge to forward ALL "simple" Zwave device data to Indigo as if it were a dumb Z-stick OR (prefereably) Kwikset got their head out of the clouds and implemented more open access to both the Z-wave and Kevo Plus so I could access them from Indigo without going through the Vera.

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by jay (support) » Thu May 26, 2016 9:18 am

My experience running the Lock/Vera/Bridge combination for about 2 years was pretty good. My Kwikset lock only needed battery changes about every 9-10 months. The Vera's battery level report was pretty unreliable - it would go from 30% to dead very quickly - but once I figured it out I just adjusted my notifications accordingly.

The Vera Lite is what I used - it's pretty slow (anywhere from 3-5 seconds from the time Indigo told it to lock/unlock until the lock actually performed. The Vera was about 30' from the lock, through 2 walls, and seemed to communicate reliably enough. Also, I'd periodically have to reboot the Vera (maybe every 2 months or so) because it would just stop responding to API calls. But overall it wasn't a bad solution.

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by norcoscia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:28 am

Thanks Joe, and best wishes with your new home - I hope all your HA dreams come true :D

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by FlyingDiver » Thu May 26, 2016 6:50 am

norcoscia wrote:
Hi Joe, can you tell me a little more about your Indigo / Vera Lite / Z-wave door lock integration. I had nothing but problems with my previous HA setup (not Indigo). Locks only worked intermittently - poor battery life. Adding "low power" capable device in the area of the locks did not help, I finally turned it all off.

What rage is possible once the lock is paired, how long to you typically get between battery swaps - is there any upside to going with a different Vera controller or is the Vera Lite all that is needed for a good door lock integration . And finally - do you expect V7 of indigo to maintain the option to bridge with Vera.

Thanks in advance for any help or recommendations - I have the locks but I don't want to create a big expense (and headache) if it will not work reliably and efficiently....


The lock's only been installed a week or so, so I have no idea on the battery life. The battery indicator in the (Vera bridged) Indigo device seems to work, so I'll keep an eye on it.

Right now the VeraLite is only about 10 feet from the lock. Final planned location is about 20 feet. I can say that the 40 feet to my original planned location was to far. I could move the Vera or add Z-wave repeaters. I opted for moving the Vera, but using repeaters would have been fine too. I don't see any need for the fancier Vera controller, UNLESS you don't have hard-wired Ethernet to use for it. The Lite does not have Wifi.

The Vera bridge is part of Indigo, and I have no reason to expect it to go away in V7. At worst, they might finally figure out a way to support Lock devices directly, and the Vera won't be needed anymore. I expect that's a very small probability, so I'm not worried about it. If it does happen, there's always eBay.

It's been very reliable so far, but this is a brand new house and we've only been it it a month. And, like I said, that lock's only been installed a week.

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by kw123 » Thu May 26, 2016 6:27 am

I also have the milocks with the additional sensor. It has been working for about 2 years
The electronics works fine
Remotes work fine
Integration into indigo is very good
Battery life depends on how often you open/ close
In average I have a battery life of 3 months.

The only problem I have is mechanical. One of my doors is 50+ years old and it and the house move with humidity and temp changes so that the lock does not always open / close as it does hit the hole. To lock it manually you need to push /pull. And replacing that door is a non starter




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Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by norcoscia » Thu May 26, 2016 5:57 am

FlyingDiver wrote:
I have a Kwikset Z-wave lock and a Vera Lite just to bridge between Indigo and the lock. Adding another lock soon, close enough to the first that the Vera will still be in range of both. I have a third door that I'd like to put a keypad lock on, but I have not found any small enough to fit (most of the door is a glass panel).


Hi Joe, can you tell me a little more about your Indigo / Vera Lite / Z-wave door lock integration. I had nothing but problems with my previous HA setup (not Indigo). Locks only worked intermittently - poor battery life. Adding "low power" capable device in the area of the locks did not help, I finally turned it all off.

What rage is possible once the lock is paired, how long to you typically get between battery swaps - is there any upside to going with a different Vera controller or is the Vera Lite all that is needed for a good door lock integration . And finally - do you expect V7 of indigo to maintain the option to bridge with Vera.

Thanks in advance for any help or recommendations - I have the locks but I don't want to create a big expense (and headache) if it will not work reliably and efficiently....

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by akimball » Wed May 25, 2016 11:29 am

I can see the problem lol. Wise man.

I will say however, that in my case, the automated remote-actuated door locks (with combinations) have my wife wanting me to do that to every exterior door, including the sliding glass doors which I'm still working on a solution for automated remote lock/unlock capability. I can't tell you how nice it is to check state of the entire home from my bed when retiring (6200-square feet in my case... it takes awhile to walk around and check all the doors). My wife absolutely LOVES the ability (or has come to love it) since installing remote lock capability in the home. This has been one feature of my home automation hobby that ultimately scored points. :)

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by Different Computers » Wed May 25, 2016 11:22 am

Thanks everyone.

Alas, it seems my wife was impatient to get the new hardware installed and has purchased new, dumb hardware ahead of me.

Maybe in the future!

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by akimball » Tue May 24, 2016 2:01 pm

The MiLock device is an "RF" device and come with an RF key-chain FOB for opening as well. I don't use the FOB. The Insteon Door Controller simply translates the open/closed insteon commands into an RF signal. This is the only lock controller supported directly with Indigo I think... the only Insteon one maybe. They say the controller and MiLock must be within 30-feet of one another.

One door controller can operate several MiLock devices, but I can't see how this is useful. So in reality you'll need one insteon door controller with each MiLock.

Documentation here: http://www.smarthome.com/milocks-qf-01s ... ickel.html

... and here: http://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2862-2 ... oller.html

The lock controller is a revamped insteon model. Smaller but other than that I'm not sure there are many changes.

One last thing (sorry for the edits)... the MiLock comes in a bunch of finishes and a few configurations (deadbolt only without keypad for example).

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by Different Computers » Tue May 24, 2016 1:19 pm

The MiLock website is remarkably unhelpful.

I had no idea that there were Insteon compatible locks. But why does it require its own special controller?

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by akimball » Tue May 24, 2016 12:40 pm

My locks (doors with deadbolts) work very well using a multi-device standard insteon solution with the standard Indigo support. No hacking required.

All doors (even glass sliding doors) have two hidden door sensors (HDS's). For normal doors (not sliding) I use one HDS usually above the uppermost hinge to tell me if the door is open or closed and I use a 2nd HDS for those doors that have deadbolts in the deadbolt pocket to let me know if the deadbolt tongue is extended or not. usually I drill the hole 3/4" hole 4" deep in the deadbolt pocket, and then wrap a rubberband or two around the HDS to make it fit tight in the deadbolt pocket.... this sets the depth of the HDS and allows me to pull it out when the battery needs to be replaced... on the deadbolt HDS, I generally remove the mounting screw plastic with a knife. Rubber bands are a very scientific high tech solution which actually work out slightly better than duct tape. No seriously, the rubber bands really do make it work since the deadbolt opening and closing against the HDS button makes it difficult to set the depth of the HDS in the deadbolt pocket any other way... and miricle of miracles, it works. Dad-gum-it.


For sliding glass doors, I mount an HDS in the frame to indicate if the door is open or closed... and a 2nd HDS under a plastic tongue lever such that when the latch catches, the tongue depresses the HDS button. I posted a picture DIY on this a while back if interested (works great now for nearly 3 years on 3 sliding doors).

Next, if I want to control the door lock itself using insteon, I've been buying a MiLocks QF-01SN rf lock and an Insteon Lock Controller. Works great, batteries last and last (almost 2 years on one) and these give me accurate control of locking and unlocking. Note that the HDS sensor in the deadbolt pocket provide positive indication of the state of the MiLock. The fact that the MiLock has no feedback is of no concern if you already have an HDS sensor installed in the deadbolt pocket.

For control pages, I use a combination of controls... here is what I use for "floorplan" lock controller controls:

The icons on the left are a sandwich of two icons (a small red rounded corner "chicklet" button which glows bright red if the door is open... and a "lock status" icon sitting on top of that which is either locked or unlocked. The lock control buttons are obvious.
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Locked... door not open.
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Unlocked... door not open.
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In both images, the HDS door sensor indicates that the door is closed... at least.

Cost with no sale prices:
MiLock $99
Insteon Door Controller $49
Two Insteon HDS $70 ($35 each).

Total cost $220 per door. Not cheap but you get two sensors plus lock control and long battery life. For me this has been very reliable.

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by durosity » Mon May 23, 2016 2:32 pm

jay (support) wrote:
durosity wrote:
jay (support) wrote:
+1 on the Vera bridge.


+infinity on native support ;)


That wasn't an option (though of course I'd love to see it as well)... :lol:


Damn, I was hoping for a "watch this space" reply ;)

Re: Tell me about your lock implementation

Post by jay (support) » Mon May 23, 2016 2:28 pm

durosity wrote:
jay (support) wrote:
+1 on the Vera bridge.


+infinity on native support ;)


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That wasn't an option (though of course I'd love to see it as well)... :lol:

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